It’s a battle of the sexes in episode 6! Surae and McCall invite Brian Carlson, Good Things Utah announcer, into the hot seat as the first male guest of the Lucie + Gray podcast.

Brian shares his perspective of being the only man on a lifestyle show hosted entirely by women and his top takeaways.

Plus, Surae and McCall dive deep into Brian’s dating life, where he opens up like never before! 

Then, Brian thinks he’s onto something when he presents Surae and McCall with a list of things ‘men are better at than women,’ but the tables turn when you hear what the ladies come back at him with! 

If you’re looking for some insight into a man’s mind, some ‘all in good fun’ debates and a good laugh, episode 6 has it all.

ABC4’s live lifestyle show ‘Good Things Utah’ TV Host Surae Chinn and TV Producer McCall Gray are the founders of the lifestyle blog Lucie + Gray and Lucie + Gray Productions©. Come join these soul sisters and  share in the celebration of living your most authentic life.  

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