Do you think the universe fights for souls to be together? Some things are too strange and too strong to be coincidences. 

In episode three, Surae and McCall sit down with Certified Master Numerologist Juhl T Helias to dive deep into the world of numerology! A topic they stumbled upon themselves in the fall of 2017. You can read about their first experience in their blog post here:

Listen along as Juhl reads both Surae and McCall’s numbers, and what she uncovers about their life paths! 

If you would like to book a session with Juhl, call or text (801) 898-3338 or email

ABC4’s live lifestyle show ‘Good Things Utah’ TV Host Surae Chinn and TV Producer McCall Gray are the founders of the lifestyle blog Lucie + Gray and Lucie + Gray Productions©. Come join these soul sisters and  share in the celebration of living your most authentic life.  

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