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Lucie + Gray Episode 3: Numerology

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Do you think the universe fights for souls to be together? Some things are too strange and too strong to be coincidences. 

In episode three, Surae and McCall sit down with Certified Master Numerologist Juhl T Helias to dive deep into the world of numerology! A topic they stumbled upon themselves in the fall of 2017. You can read about their first experience in their blog post here:

Listen along as Juhl reads both Surae and McCall’s numbers, and what she uncovers about their life paths! 

If you would like to book a session with Juhl, call or text (801) 898-3338 or email

Our very own 4 p.m. news anchor and chief medical correspondent, Surae Chinn (Lucie) and Good Things Utah producer, McCall Gray are the founders of the lifestyle blog Lucie and Gray. An online platform which they created to share and celebrate their friendship, soul sisterhood, and all of the adventures that come along with it!

All of this and more can be found at

Connect with them on Instagram: @lucieandgray 

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