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Utah's contradictory immigration laws passed


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Updated: 3/11/2011 1:17 am | Published: 3/10/2011 9:03 pm
Reported by : Annie Cutler
SALT LAKE CITY (ABC 4 News) - Illegal immigration has been a hot topic for this legislative session with half a dozen house bills passed and waiting for the governor's signature. Some have questions about the specifics of some of those bills.

House Bill 466, 116, and 497 are the three most talked about. HB 466 will start a state program coordinated with the federal guest worker program to start a partnership between Utah and Mexico to start bringing guest workers here. Attorney Mark Alvarez says HB 466 is “Arguably constitutional. It works within the federal system.

HB 116 allows for the state to issue work permits to certain undocumented workers who qualify here in Utah. Alvarez says the bill is unconstitutional, “116 is like the carrot in the carrot and stick approach. The problem is there is no carrot. There is no carrot because it's unconstitutional and the possibility of a waiver is extraordinarily remote.”

HB 497 is an enforcement bill that will give limited immigration authority to state and local police to check immigration status for people lawfully stopped, detained, or arrested for class a misdemeanors and felonies.

We had to ask the question: Don't these bills go against one another? Alvarez says, “Utah polling data indicates that 71 percent of people in Utah support the guest worker permit for undocumented workers. By the same token they support Arizona style enforcement. That's contradictory.”

Despite Alvarez's explanation that some are unconstitutional and contradictory, all three of these bills have passed and are waiting for Governor Herbert's signature.

Utah's Hispanic immigrant community has decided to show their importance to Utah’s economy by boycotting all Utah businesses. This will begin on March 14th and last 15 days until March 28th. Those boycotting plan to take their money out of banks and not shop at markets or stores during that time.

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sevenxseven - 3/20/2011 8:41 PM
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When I was a kid, and my dad owned a ranch, I worked from 4 AM to Whatever time it was and we had done the chores for the day, we hired the Teenagers from school, they worked for my dad, and it was very hard work, they didn't die from working very hard. If the illegals (foreign nationals)would leave the country, maybe the parents of the teenagers would make them go to work on some ranch or farm and see where the food comes from that they eat. This way they might learn something, instead of stealing and going to jail. Then they would be able to determine what they wanted to do, when they grow up and be somebody, and make their parents proud of them.

StokeyBob - 3/11/2011 9:02 PM
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I wish all the luck but the deck may be stacked against law, order, and freedom. When I started looking into where the money was coming from to buy off the politicians and subvert the immigration laws of the world, I came across what may be the root of many of our problems. Fiat Money. No matter how much real money people can put together to build their countries the way they want there are those that can print up what ever it takes to get their way. Maybe this will help make the danger of fiat money clear. Imagine you and me are setting across from each other. We create enough money to represent all of the world's wealth. Each one of us has one SUPER Dollar in front of him. You own half of everything and so do I. I'm the government though. I get bribed into creating a Central Bank. You're not doing what I want you to be doing so I print up myself eight more SUPER Dollars to manipulate you with. All of a sudden your SUPER Dollar only represents one tenth of the wealth of the world! That isn't the only thing though. You need to get busy and get to work because YOU'VE BEEN STIFFED with the bill for the money I PRINTED UP to get YOU TO DO what I WANTED. That to me represents what has been happening to the economy, and us, and why so many of our occupations just can't keep up with the fake money presses. We are going to have to regain control of our government before we can regain control of our currency. We are going to have to regain control of our currency before we can regain control of our country.

mia1234 - 3/11/2011 3:21 PM
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hilarious. i don't get why you're all butthurt over illegal immagrants taking your jobs. ever seen a white person make burgers for 7.25 an hour, yeah me neither. You hate "mexicans" yet you still eat their food like pigs. i'm sure everyone who wrote these ridiculous comments is over 30, do me a favor and grow up a little, act like an adult.

Drifter007 - 3/11/2011 11:12 AM
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Gosh--and here I thought that our elected people in the legislature were supposed to represent the Legal Voters in this state. Boy---was I ever wrong. It looks to me like they only represent the Non-Taxpayer.

emstisme - 3/11/2011 8:59 AM
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@NetScanr - We're on the same page, truly, but do you really have to be that malicious about it? I think the derogatory pseduo-Spanish and other acerbic phrasing could be left out and still get your (our) point across.

Sojourner69 - 3/11/2011 8:57 AM
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There they go again, the proponents of smoke--and ABC4 News let it slip by. I do not believe it is true, that "Utah polling data indicates that 71 percent of people in Utah support the guest worker permit for undocumented workers." I have never heard of any such poll. I know it is not practicable for a person being interviewed to refer to the exact source citations for what the person claims are facts. Yet, it is possible for the journalist who conducted the interview to find those source citations and include them in any published article. Then, any reader can refer to the source. As for my own opinion about immigration, I can support a regulated work program--but only for documented immigrants. To offer work permits to "undocumented workers" is to reward illegal entry into the United States. That should be obvious. Finally, there are illegal immigrants in the United States simply because Rome needs slaves, Rome's Senate is corrupt, and Rome's priests seek a voice in the Senate.

Sojourner69 - 3/11/2011 8:55 AM
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There they go again, the proponents of smoke--and ABC4 News let it slip by. I do not believe it is true, that "Utah polling data indicates that 71 percent of people in Utah support the guest worker permit for undocumented workers." I have never heard of any such poll. I know it is not practicable for a person being interviewed to refer to the exact source citations for what the person claims are facts. Yet, it is possible for the journalist who conducted the interview to find those source citations and include them in any published article. Then, any reader can refer to the source. As for my own opinion about immigration, I can support a regulated work program--but only for documented immigrants. To offer work permits to "undocumented workers" is to reward illegal entry into the United States. That should be obvious. Finally, there are illegal immigrants in the United States simply because Rome needs slaves, Rome's Senate is corrupt, and Rome's priests seek a voice in the Senate.

Bgugin - 3/11/2011 8:09 AM
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I wrote a E-Mail to Rep. Bill Wright of District 68 regarding HB116. I thought the bill was nothing more than litigation favoring illegal cheap labor, and that the Utah unemployed should come before illegal’s. I offered Rep Wright my thoughts on other subjects as well. Rep Wright chose to discuss HB116, his bill. He justified HB116 by saying that he had sent out a survey to 1000 of his constituents. One question was: "Would you support or oppose a guest worker permit which would require undocumented immigrants to be subject to criminal background checks, learn English and carry a state-issued permit in order to legally live, work and pay taxes in Utah?" His survey contended 87% approved of this policy. Wright stated that: “ Public opinion agrees with my bill”. I asked him who this survey was sent to and invited him to call me. Rep. Wright called, His survey was sent to 1000 of his “Republican” constituents, I guess Independents, and Democrats don’t count? He said “Utah workers do not want to work these demeaning jobs”. His next statement floored me. He stated “that using the “Guest Worker”, at the end of the day you would know the job was done right, and that there would be no whining”. Is this Utah Representative working for the people of Utah, or the Utah worker, I think not. Can anyone imagine a State elected official making such statements?

Bgugin - 3/11/2011 8:05 AM
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I have been so outraged with the passage of HB116 the “Guest Worker permit” legislation and the pending signing into law by the Governor that I wrote a personal E-Mail to the sponsor of HB116 ,My Representative REP. Bill Wright of District 68 regarding my concerns. In essence I told him that I thought the bill was nothing more than litigation favoring illegal cheap labor, and that at this time in our nation’s history that he and his follow legislators should be making the Utah/American worker their first priority not the Illegal’s. I told the Representative his bill was nothing short of denying Utah workers the opportunity to work at a livable wage, as well as a means of exploiting cheap labor for profit. I offered Rep Wright my thoughts on other subjects as well, but they were concerning other matters. Since Rep Wright chose to discuss HB116, I submit the following. I give Rep. Bill Wright credit for responding to my E-Mail. He basically justified HB116 by saying that he had sent out a survey to 1000 of his constituents. One of the questions surveyed was: "Would you support or oppose a guest worker permit which would require undocumented immigrants to be subject to criminal background checks, learn English and carry a state-issued permit in order to legally live, work and pay taxes in Utah?" His survey contended that 87% approved of this policy. Rep Wright stated that: “ Public opinion agrees with my bill. However public opinion alone did not dictate my position on immigration. I supported this legislation because it is the right thing to do”. (quoted from Rep Wright’s E-mail) In an E-Mail reply to that, I asked him who this survey was sent to, as I had my doubts as to it validity. I Gave Rep. Wright my home phone number and invited him to call me to discuss HB116. To Rep Wright’s credit he did call, and I respect him for that. Rep. Wright called my home 3/10/11. He told me that his survey was sent to 1000 of his “Republican” constituents, I guess Indepe

NetScanr - 3/11/2011 12:31 AM
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Coordinating a planned start on Monday 3/14 means illegals will be stocking up from our discriminatory gringo UT es-stores over the next tree days, hence, self-defeating. They're not going to drive to Wyoming or other surrouding states for things, it'll cost too much for gas, their cars won't make the trip, and they're probably too lazy to make de effor! The only harships brought to bear will be on demselves. How about having the gringo-run financial institucionnes tighten-their belts on latino-oriented es-store's lines of credito? Pulling their money out of gringo financial institucionnes sure won't hurt anyone. Let's hope they go to a $0 balance and force their accounts closed, in the hopes that the same institucionnes will require an E-Verified SSN or Tax-ID number in order to open/re-open accounts. Watch out though illegal friends of de 'church'! Ju still have to pay jur tithing to de church-of-je-christ-of-lader-dan-saints on Sunday or risk losing your temple bus-pass! Watch the nightly news, and expect a huge spike in burglaries and home-invasions in West Valley City and other latino population centers. Those who decide to boycott work should be terminated (terminados) for cause (ju es bad), so they can't get Unemployment Essurance for free, using someone else's stolen es-social-security car purchase for $160 gringo dollares through another illegal compadre. At the end of this social-experiment the illigals will be saying: Ay Dios Mio! Wha have we dun?!!! Que, Vato? We can have the Grayhund Chiwawa-Spress ready to ship them back from whence they came :) Expect huge demonstrations of now U.S. flag-brearing illegals (they figured out the mexi-flag doesn't fly here), protesting in Spanish in our streets, demanding their RIGHTS? Illegals have HUMAN-RIGHTS protections ONLY! Illegals do NOT have ANY rights provided by the U.S. Constitution as these rights are conveyed upon U.S. Citizens ONLY, so let's get the FACTS out into the open (even though the
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