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UPDATE: Packer makes changes to sermon regarding homosexuality


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Updated: 10/09/2010 1:45 pm | Published: 10/08/2010 9:45 am
Written by: Dan Metcalf Jr.
Contributor: Kimberly Houk
SALT LAKE CITY (ABC 4 News) – The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints has changed the text of Boyd K. Packer’s sermon on morality, homosexuality and same-sex marriage.

Packer’s sermon claimed that homosexuality was not born of inbred “tendencies.”

In the Church’s online text version of Packer’s talk, the word “tendencies” was changed to “temptations.”

During his original talk, Elder Packer spoke of homosexual tendencies saying, "Some suppose that they were pre- set and cannot overcome what they feel are inborn tendencies toward the impure and unnatural. Not so. Why would our Heavenly Father do that to anyone? Remember, he is our Father.”

Another change to Packer’s talk includes the omission of the entire sentence, “Why would our Heavenly Father do that to anyone?”

READ THE ONLINE VERSION OF PACKER'S TALK HERE

WATCH THE ORIGINAL TALK HERE

As president and the senior member of the Quorum of the Twelve, Packer is next in succession to become president of the church.

ABC 4 has requested a statement from the Church on the text changes made to Packer's sermon.

On Monday, the Human Rights Campaign, an organization dedicated to gay rights released a statement saying that President Packer needs to "correct" his statements.

The HRC and other local gay rights groups organized a protest held outside Salt Lake City’s Temple Square Thursday night to demonstrate against Packer’s speech.

Also on Thursday night, the Church released a statement about the protest, saying:

“Of course, the Church recognizes the right of groups to voice their opinion in the public square. However, those familiar with the Church’s doctrine on the importance of marriage and family know it is based on principles of respect and love for all of God’s children. We have continually emphasized that there is no room in this discussion for hatred or mistreatment of anyone.”

ABC 4 spoke with people on the streets of Salt Lake City to see what they think about the changes to Packer's talk.

Corinne Sugino, a local teen said, "I think that just proves the fact. When they changed it, they changed it because they were responding to negative criticism, and they wanted people to support them."

"I don’t think the Church has ever changed their stance on this issue. The church teaches love whatever our tendencies are," said Emery Smith, a member of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints. "I think they are very similar words. We are all in temptation have developed tendencies towards certain things whether it’s alcohol or something else."

"I don’t think the church is caving into peer pressure in that situation. The talks are reviewed, but I still think the church has the right to go through and take a look and make adjustments," said Sam Lake, another LDS Church member. "We believe that God continues revealing to his prophets, and because of the reaction it wasn’t taken the right way. I feel they have the right because of what we believe in to go in and make any adjustments."

ABC 4 also spoke with Valerie Larabee of the Utah Pride Center. She said, "While I think the changes that have been made to the sermon are a step in the right direction, I don’t think they go far enough."

UPDATE:  Late Friday evening, Scott Trotter, LDS Church spokesman, released the following statement regarding the edits made in Elder Packer's talk:

“The Monday following every General Conference, each speaker has the opportunity to make any edits necessary to clarify differences between what was written and what was delivered or to clarify the speaker’s intent. President Packer has simply clarified his intent. As we have said repeatedly, the Church’s position on marriage and family is clear and consistent. It is based on respect and love for all of God’s children.”

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mommyfixit - 10/16/2010 12:32 PM
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I think that the correction that President Packer made to his speech helps us to understand what was meant in his statement. He said, "Some suppose that they were preset and cannot overcome what they feel are inborn tendencies toward the impure and the unnatural," he said. "Not so. Why would our Heavenly Father do that to anyone?" He changed the word tendencies to temptations, which isn't a big difference. But then he struck the last sentence. President Packer became concerned that his meaning could be taken wrong. Consider the statement, "Sherlock saw the man with his binoculars." Who had the binoculars? Sherlock, or the man? Now, should we decide that President Packer meant that Heavenly Father wouldn't preset people with inborn temptations, or that he wouldn't preset people with inborn temptations they couldn't overcome? I think his clarification made this very clear. He meant to say that Heavenly Father doesn't preset those of us with inborn temptations to not be able to overcome them. He struck the entire sentence, because there was not an easy way to make it clear without becoming redundant. Some of us are preset to become easily addicted to habit-forming substances. Some of us are preset with a higher libido than others. Some of us are preset with other temptations. No matter what the temptation, Heavenly Father did not preset us with any temptation (or tendency) that we cannot overcome. "There hath no temptation taken you, but such as is common to man. But God is just, and will with the temptation make a way to escape, that ye will be able to bear it." (I don't have my scriptures handy, but I believe that was fairly accurate, and I'm thinking it is from Corinthians.)

ken16 - 10/14/2010 1:17 PM
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Dear bjean, let's continue this thought experiment. When you say, "why then we are all homosexual at one point or another," so if you grew up in an alternate universe in culture, where homosexuals were the majority, could you change your sexuality, given this idea that you were at some point even slightly attracted to the same sex? First, I would argue that you could not. But that isn't really the point at all. More importantly, I would argue that it would be a painful violation of your experience on earth to attempt to do so. Furthermore, I do not take any issue in believing in God's plan for human souls, and their need to procreate, and how homosexuality doesn't fit into that scheme of things. I KNOW homosexuals don't fit into that plan. What I truly take issue with is those who condemn homosexual behavior without trying to understand the experience of someone who grew up marginalized by the heterosexual majority. AND the one place where infinite love and forgiveness and eternal family is supposed to be at the heart of everything, instead of following Christ's example, who was SILENT on the issue, they preach that homosexuality is a burden to overcome. Honest, open, caring love is never immoral. I know this to be true, and like you, I don't choose what is true. Homosexuality is not an abomination, homosexuals are not, as 1st Romans put it, "worthy of death." Homosexuals are worthy of the same opportunities to love and marry as anyone else.

bjean - 10/14/2010 11:30 AM
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Just as a gay say they would never choose this life of ostracism and opposition, I also sometimes wish that God would just say, "Yeah, gay is good!" because it would make my life a lot easier. I wouldn't have to be a mockery among friends and family. Yes, I choose my beliefs. But I don't choose what is true. Truth exists whether I believe in it or not. And there is a way to find out whether the words of the prophet are true or not.

bjean - 10/14/2010 10:46 AM
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Just as a gay say they would never choose this life of ostracism and opposition, I also sometimes wish that God would just say, "Yeah, gay is good!" because it would make my life a lot easier. I wouldn't have to be a mockery among friends and family. Yes, I choose my beliefs. But I don't choose what is true. Truth exists whether I believe in it or not. And there is a way to find out whether the words of the prophet are true or not.

bjean - 10/14/2010 10:29 AM
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Dear Ken16, You have respectfully urged members of the church to consider the fact that possibly homosexuality is not a choice and that urges are completely impossible to avoid or overcome, that they are not temptations but are indeed inborn tendencies and orientations. This is exactly what Elder Packer is asking us not to do! He says in his talk, "Some suppose that they were preset and cannot overcome what they feel are inborn temptations toward the impure and unnatural. Not so!" and proceeded to explain that a loving Heavenly Father would never put such unfair disadvantages upon his own children and then ask them to not listen to their urges. Might I beg you, with the same urgency you have used with us, that these "predispositions" and "tendencies" are not preset at all, but that they are a result of living in a fallen world? There are plenty of horrible things that happen right under God's nose. Does He do anything about them? Not usually. He allows us to do those things to each other and to ourselves. Something I believe very strongly is that homosexuality is not caused by genetics at birth, but is caused by other factors. If we are to base the definition of homosexuality on attraction to the same sex, why then we are all homosexual at one point or another. We are sexual beings. Period. Some more often than others, some stronger than others. The problem is, in this society, the second someone has an urge like that, or a personality profile that does not fit their "typical" gender stereotypes, why they are almost forced to consider that possibility that maybe they just weren't created the same. My mother is gay, my sister is gay, My college boyfriend was gay, I was best friends with kids in high school who were gay. Through my mom, I am friends with the president of Gay Pride in NV and have heard countless stories in their behalf. And I can still assure you, it is a choice, even when it doesn't feel like it.

ken16 - 10/13/2010 4:44 AM
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Dear NateMads, can you imagine how offensive it is to compare smoking to homosexuality, can you for one minute put yourself in someone's shoes who has NEVER had a single inkling of attraction toward a person of the opposite sex? Can you imagine how your ignorance alienates all those that might have seen some glimmer of hope in your testimony of Jesus Christ? Tell me, NateMads, how is it that saying being born a homosexual is a 'lame excuse'? Do you control the way in which your desire is physically manifested to you in this world? Did you wake one day and say, "Heavenly Father, I will choose to love and be aroused by women!" I can assume, and with great certainty, that your decision making had nothing to with it. That response, that level of physical attention, is the most powerful energy in this life: It does deepen emotional and spiritual bonds, it does satisfy a fundamental need of all human beings, and it is truly sacred. I assure you that my experiences of honest and open and caring love are in fact just as moral as any experiences of love that you have or will share. I agree with the often quoted saying, "You cannot do wrong and feel right." Please, ask yourself, NateMads, what in the world it means to 'oppose homosexuality.' Did you EVER have to question whether you were born with your sexual orientation? What is perverse is your ignorance and the way your ignorance adds to the struggles and fears that the young teens in your community. They don't have the luxury of the majority's sexual orientation, and wake every day with the horror of being 'outed,' or if they are open about their sexuality, terrified of being harassed in subtle or overt ways. You are PROUD to be LDS? That is wonderful. I only hope that you can learn to be humble about what you cannot understand.

Terk Trebre - 10/12/2010 8:04 PM
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Wow! The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints is NOT a hateful church. And the God we worship does love all of us unconditionally. That doesn't mean He will approve of things that are not in accordance with his gospel. I love my kids, but when they do things that will bring them pain, I correct them. God has a right to correct us on our actions. This is His world, and it's governed by His rules. We might not understand everything, but we do understand that God lives and He loves all of His children the same, LDS or not, and that He wants us to be happy. That means following Him, listening to Him, and obeying His commandments. It's not always easy, but it is what's right, and it is what makes happiness and strong families. People who lash out against the church have issues in their lives that are causing them to feel unloved and afraid. Lashing out is just a symptom of the pain they feel in their life. Boyd K. Packer is a man of God, and men of God don't shrink from the truth. His Father in Heaven sustains him as one of His mouthpieces here on earth, and Boyd K. Packer sustains his Heavenly Father by speaking the truth. Sorry if you don't understand the church; you are missing out on great blessings in your life and answers to questions you have about what is coming in the life after this one.

NateMads - 10/12/2010 7:42 PM
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To EVERYONE: I would just like to state that there are many ways to be happy. But there are two kinds of happiness, short term and long term. I believe this as a short term happiness. No matter what you believe in, if you believe in anything, you were still born into this world. In this world you can change almost everything about yourself. But is this a good thing? Do you really want to be loved strongly enough by the same sex? We know that the Roman Catholic Church opposes homosexuality, The LDS church opposes it, and most of the world's leaders are opposed. Your NOT born into being homosexual, that is a lame excuse, especially when you talk about freedom of choice. Yes you have the freedom to be homosexual, as you have the right to smoke. But is smoking good for you? NO! Just because it is a freedom doesn't make it right. I back up everyone who opposes homosexuality 100%. You are not being brainwashed into believing it immoral, it just simply is what it is, and it IS immoral. And for those of you who are confused about what to think, PRAY. I KNOW THAT I AM A PROUD MEMBER OF THE CHURCH OF JESUS CHRIST OF LATTER DAY SAINTS, I KNOW THAT MY FATHER IN HEAVEN REVILES TRUTH THROUGH PROPHETS, SEERS, AND REVELATORS. I KNOW THAT JESUS CHRIST DIED ON THE CROSS FOR US, SO THAT WE CAN GO BACK TO HEAVEN TO LIVE WITH OUR FAMILIES FOR ETERNITY. I KNOW THAT I WAS GIVEN A BODY TO BE TESTED, TO SHOW MY FATHER IN HEAVEN THAT I AM STEADFAST AND IMMOVABLE. I KNOW THAT WE WILL ALL BE JUDGED IN THE GREAT AND FINAL DAYS. I KNOW THAT BOYD K. PACKER IS ORDAINED OF GOD, AND THAT HE HAD THE SPIRIT WITH HIM WHEN HE WAS SPEAKING AND REVISING HIS TALK. I SAY THESE THINGS IN THE NAME OF JESUS CHRIST, AMEN.

beckyboop83 - 10/12/2010 6:56 PM
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I believe that everyone should be able to love and be with whomever they choose, now whether or not that is our Heavenly Fathers view point I can only tell you that through scripture it seems that homosexuality would not be his chosen path for us but through the gift of free agency we have the right to choose and as most would know, we dont always choose the path that oour parents would have us choose but our parents love and support us anyway. Now this freedom I believe goes further than the right and freedom of homosexuals to be accepted (perhaps not encouraged) and left alone to love whom they please but I also believe it includes the rights of consenting adults to be accepted as loving more than one person - now this is hard for some to swallow including those that fight for homosexuals rights but I ask you is not the real fight for the freedom the right for any over the age of consent individual to be allowed to love whom they please whether that be one, two or ten people and regardless of there sexual orientation? There is so much hate in the world yet we cant see fit as human beings to allow each other just to love in peace.

exbeliever - 10/12/2010 1:32 AM
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This is @ Larin, I feel for your sister. I am not gay,I used to be mormon up until about 3 or 4 years ago, I have a wonderful husband that I have been married to for 11 years, and two daughters, but what a sad life to have to be someone she is not to please your God. God in my eyes has unconditional love. I was born and raised Mormon, and I have nothing against the church, as far as, you can believe and worship as you please, but to speak for God as if he is here telling you, to your face or through your so called leaders, that homosexuality is wrong, is a load of crap. Maybe their trial is to embrace who they are to truly be happy, and have to put up with the hate and struggles that other people put them through, not being gay, but putting up with people who think they are better because they are not. I have always struggled with the churches views on homosexuality, as well as MANY other things. I struggled to leave the church for what I felt deep down in my heart that hurt me to stay because I truly didn't agree with it's teachings. I feel for all the gay community within the church, they most likely have my struggle, and the struggle to accept who they are and what will make them happy, because they think it is their "trial" their "temptation", and not being able to accept the fact that they cannot change in their minds of who they are, just like I couldn't with who I am and what I felt deep down inside me, that the church was feeding me words that sounded good on the surface, but if you listen to the "spirit" it will tell you these are words of hate! Not always, I will defend many people and their courage to stay in the church because they truly believe, (many family members of mine), but there is some good in everyone and everything, and I am glad I left, and took the things from my experience there that were good and apply them to my life, because I chose what worked for me. Many people have choices, but who you are is not a choice. God made us the way we ARE
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