Brent Hunsaker - So what is really at stake in “The List”?


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Updated: 7/15/2010 12:54 am | Published: 7/15/2010 12:50 am
Reported by: Brent Hunsaker
Letter that accompanied list of supposed illegal immigrants in Utah.
Letter that accompanied list of supposed illegal immigrants in Utah.
The List is 29 pages, single-spaced. 13-hundred names. Adults and children. Names, addresses, phone numbers, birthdays and a sprinkling of other even more personal information.

Evidence seems to point to the database at Workforce Services as the source of The List. That would most likely mean an employee took it.

You’ll notice I have yet to mention “illegal immigrant.” I make no argument “for” or “against” anything. I am stripping away all of that to get at what I think is the core issue with The List.

It is not about immigration. It is about trust. Period.

If indeed the information came from the computers at Workforce Services, a serious trust has been violated that could hamper the state agency from fulfilling its broad mission to help people in need.

Think about it.

What if you smoked? What if a secretary at a doctor’s office took your medical records along with those of all the other patients who smoked and published them?

You wouldn’t care one wit the person’s motivation. They wanted to prove smoking is bad? So what? You’d say, “Good intentions be damned.”

You’d feel violated. Angry. Perhaps you’d even be scared for what this might do to your relationships and possibly even your employment.

And … you’d swear (among other things) to never go back to that doctor. You would never trust him or his staff again.

Now, back to the possible link between The List and Workforce Services:

The people trusted their privacy would be protected. How can anyone go to Workforce Services if they cannot be sure their private information will stay private?

They feel violated. Angry. And yes, scared.

It does not matter if the person who took the information and compiled the list had “good intentions” or was frustrated at current immigration policy (or the lack thereof).

All that matters is this: There was an expectation of confidentiality that has now been shattered.

Trust is shattered.

My conclusion: If someone stole the information from a state database to make up The List, then they were flat out wrong.

Lets stop making excuses for an unethical and immoral act just because we may be sympathetic with the politics of the actor.

When will we finally figure out that “the end does not justify the means”?

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jam777bsm - 7/16/2010 4:58 PM
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I just wanted to add my voice,(and my husband's), to the comments that we agree with--wiseguy-legalamerican-justme--etc......

wiseguy - 7/15/2010 2:22 PM
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We offer immunity to drug suppliers and crime bosses who turn in criminals. Whats the difference? (BUT YOUR THINKING IS FLAWED! These thoughts are based on the assumption of gilt! NOT innocent til proven guilty.) What if this list is compiled by a Hispanic group to help aid and harbor trespassers?? Shouldn't that group be brought to charges of conspiracy to avoid and undermine the laws of the USA? There is NO repeat NO difference here if the list is from the state then the state is aiding criminals and the state and politicians doing this should be punished BROUGHT TO JUSTICE. NOT THE WHISTLE BLOWER!!

legalamerican - 7/15/2010 2:10 PM
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I so agree with runnerjeff. Smokers are not breaking the law Brent Hunsaker. Apples and oranges. I hope that one day all criminals are on a list. Oh, wait. They are. A criminal background check can be done on any one seeking employment. Oh, wait again. These people aren't seeking employment and they don't have social security numbers to do those background checks, and they are ILLEGAL!!!!!!!!!!!!!! He is right it is about trust. The trust of the legal American public in their elected officials to pass out money to those in need who are legal citizens of this country. No to take our hard earned money and give it to criminals. If you are here illegally you have already broken the law. I TRUSTED our government NOT to financially support criminals!

justme - 7/15/2010 12:33 PM
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I didn't realize that people that are in our country illegally had rights to "trust". I'm a little miffed at them getting all of the protection and help while the rest of us pay for it.

dbslack - 7/15/2010 10:28 AM
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I have to agree with “runnerJeff” that the hypothetical “Smokers” list is flawed. What about a list that indentifies a class of criminals that are in all of our neighborhoods that pose a serious threat to us and our families, do we get rid of it, I am talking about the sex offenders list that is available online and you can receive emails for any new threats that move into your neighborhood. My problems with “The List” is how was it compiled, was it done with confidential/restricted information, and how accurate is it. Unfortunately to get the level of information contained in “The List” it almost had to come from State Records and that means that someone somewhere has access to all of our records and could use it to “List” tickets, complaints, political party affiliations, tax info, and/or anything you have ever had recorded in the State records, that makes me uncomfortable.

Kodiak8881 - 7/15/2010 9:33 AM
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I understand that several people on "The List" are actually legally in the USA. And it was private information given to a government agency and should NOT have been published. I consider that List just as illegal as the people who snuck into this State. I'm sorry so many people are now scared because of "The List" and I hope they catch those who wrote it. But that said, I also support a more strict enforcement of our laws and tighter border controls. Sorry. I think illegals SHOULD be sent back across the border.

runnerjeff - 7/15/2010 8:39 AM
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Brent Hunsaker's analogy with a hypothetical list of smokers is flawed. Smokers are not breaking the law; illegal immigrants are. A more interesting comparison would be if someone published a list of another type of criminal, say, auto thieves. Knowing who criminals are in our neighborhoods serves a greater purpose (protecting society) than preserving anonymity of those in the wrong. On the other hand, the fear and distrust promulgated by "the list" will likely have a worse effect on our society and backfire on those who created and distributed it.

pras41 - 7/15/2010 2:25 AM
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Reading "your view" on the whole matter. I understand what your saying but lets turn that same logic around and view it through the eyes of the American tax payer. Haven't our rights been trampled on? Hasn't our trust in goverment been violated? Once again, lets not forget that most, if not all, the names on that list are in fact criminals. They are recieving goverment benefits for which they have no right even applying for. Come on media... pull your heads out... loose the bleeding heart attitude and do a story on the real victims here.... THE AMERICAN TAX PAYER.
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