Brent Hunsaker - So what is really at stake in “The List”? Part 2


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Updated: 7/16/2010 12:56 am | Published: 7/16/2010 12:53 am
Reported by: Brent Hunsaker
Letter that accompanied list of supposed illegal immigrants in Utah.
Letter that accompanied list of supposed illegal immigrants in Utah.
In trying to get at the core issue involved in the growing firestorm over The List, I got singed. (Click here to read my other blog.)

Runnerjeff wrote: “Brent Hunsaker's analogy with a hypothetical list of smokers is flawed. Smokers are not breaking the law; illegal immigrants are.”


Legalamerican wrote: “I so agree with runnerjeff. Smokers are not breaking the law Brent Hunsaker. Apples and oranges. I hope that one day all criminals are on a list.”


Thanks for the comments, however I cannot accept your assertion that my analogy is flawed because your premise is flawed.

You assume that all the people – adults and children – on the list are “illegal”.

Bad assumption. In fact, from our interviews we have discovered some people on the list are documented immigrants while a few are actually American citizens.

Still, you seem to argue that the list is somehow the moral equivalent of a sex offender registry because, after all, they are all criminals, aren’t they?

Now that’s apples and oranges.

Only those convicted in a court of law populate the sex offender registry. Before their convictions, they were innocent. Why can't the people on the list be afforded the same presumption?  To my knowledge they've only been "listed", not convicted.

Yet you automatically condemn them all based only on the word of some “citizen” who produces the list with stolen information and then hides in the shadows. By what constitutional authority does he (or she) get to be judge, jury and executioner?

Okay, back to the point of my original blog:

Strip away the distorting heat of the illegal immigration debate, and the list is simply about the violation of trust.

People have to trust their government will protect information given in confidence.

Governor Herbert’s spokeswoman, Angie Welling, said it best: “When people do business with the state, they deserve to know that their private information is indeed private."

Thanks Angie, my point exactly.

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EMMITTA - 7/19/2010 9:51 AM
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I KNOW THAT THE LIST HAS OPEND THE DOOR TO THOSE THAT HOLD IT IN TRUST. THE SECURTY SYSTEM THAT WERE IN PLACE FOR FILES NEED TO PUT THE STATE AT RISK AND ANY LEVEL THE PUBLIC IS AT RISK WHEN THEY GIVE THEIR INFO. TO ANY STATE SERVICE. THERE ISA SOMETHING WRONG WHEN PUBLIC EMP. ARE CALLED ROAG. THAT IS A BADE CHOICE OF WOARDS TO BE USED THEY WERE WRONG AT GIVEING THE NEWS THE LIST . BUT IT WAS WRONG FOR THE NEWS TO GO PUBLIC WITH THE STORY WITHC ADDED GASALENE TO THE FIRE AND TO PUT PEOPLE ON THE AIR. HOW EVER I BELEVE IN FREE SPICH AND FREEDOM OF THE PRESS. WHAT HAS REALY COME OUT FROM THE STORY IS THAT GUV. WANTS TO CUT OF THE PEOPLE AT WORKFORCES STAFF. BUT NOT DEAL WITH THE PROBLUM FROM ICE TO GUV. OFFICE TO THE POLICE ON THE STREET. MYBE IF YOU RAN A STORY ABOUT WHAT I.C.E. IS TO DO FROM A FEDERAL LEVEL AND SEE THEM DO IT LIST LIKE THIS ARE NOT TO BE FERD. THEY KNOW THAT THEY ARE HERE WITH OUT PAPERS AND ARE PROUD OF MAKEING OUR COUNTRY LAWS LOOK FUNNY. THEY HAVE BEEN GIVEN EVERYTHING AND PEOPLE THAT ARE BORN HERE IT IS NOT FOR THEM WHAT IS WIGHT ABOUT THIS U.S. FAMILIES LIVE ON THE STREETS BUT PEOPL;E THAT ARE HERE GET EVERYTHING. THERE IS A SECENT STORY FOR YOU TO RUN AND STAND UP FOR. MABE THEN THE LAWS AND NDEEDS OF OUR CITIZENS COME FIRST NOT LAST.D

runnerjeff - 7/18/2010 6:15 PM
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Thanks, Brent, for your response.

JohnD - 7/17/2010 8:04 AM
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Just remember it's not illegal to visit America, it's illegal to use documents to get work and other benefits - they can stay visit and enjoy the fruits of law abiding citizens who labor for the greater of Americans and enjoyment of freedom. We have judged the list of persons and we already know that 4 of the people on the list are Americans. Also I think we need to get the information of the people involved in given this confidential information out and see if they would like their credit card number, driver lic number and home address released to the public may be there children's information too I know I wouldn't and I would be very angry and possible vengeful if they did that to me? But than I would be the law breaker? Who is right now? Regards, JD

jam777bsm - 7/16/2010 4:46 PM
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I agree COMPLETEY with wiseguy!!! There should not HAVE to even be a "list", because Americans should be comfortable with what their government is doing about illegal immigration! They shouldn't be here in the first place! They should have investigated the people on the list so that those two people didn't HAVE to turn to the media!!!!

wiseguy - 7/16/2010 7:06 AM
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Yes the state should secure the information. BUT if any information is showing a crime / trespass committed then the law enforcement officials should enforce the laws. Want apples or oranges?? This debate is non productive. What if the data base shows children being abused or used? Do you not investigate?? Look at the gal for years kidnapped in California. If information leaks it should be investigated with discreetness and reasonable protection for all. BUT OUR SYSTEM of justice has turned VERY non professional from the governor to the SLC police chief. All wanting sound bites.
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